Louis Theroux & Sia: my thoughts on their conversation

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She openly shares her struggles with anxiety and complex-PTSD through to her addictions, her yearning for authenticity and to make music that feels good to her, music that - she has discovered - she writes for *herself*

Louis Theroux & Sia: my thoughts on their conversation

As an INF(P), I am naturally fascinated by people, and especially those who are creatives - especially so if I connect with their music. (In the intro for this week's podcast episode, I share how I knew I had to interview Porter after listening to his music). I also recently discovered that I have an Artisan soul archetype, and I'm pretty sure many other creatives match this 'type'.

📘 Currently reading: The Michael Handbook, by Jose Stevens & Simon Warwick-Smith

When it comes to those in the world of celebrity, with the walled 'showbiz veil', we only usually get little glimpses of someone's essence, and Sia is someone I have been interested in for a while.

So, when I found out that Louis Theroux had interviewed her on his podcast, I was immediately intrigued (especially as I knew Louis is someone who goes deep, and this wouldn't just be a bland, surface-level interview). In the course of the conversation we discover that the two of them are, in fact, friends, so in this recording we are offered an insight into Sia and her life in a setting (her home) in which she feels comfortable (speaking with a friend).

🎧 Grounded with Louis Theroux: 12. Sia

She eventually chose to perform with her face hidden from sight, and she talks about the challenges and anxiety that come from her live performing (I couldn't help but notice the parallels here with one of my favourite artists, Tim Bergling aka Avicii. About how angry she was when a fellow artist decided to name her on their track at a time when she wanted to step away from being 'Sia' the performer and re-invent herself as a songwriter.

She openly shares her struggles with anxiety and complex-PTSD through to her addictions, her yearning for authenticity and to make music that feels good to her, music that - she has discovered - she writes for herself; when released into the world it's no longer hers, but others will connect with and relate to it in their own way.

We get to peek into her life and her essence, the things that bring her joy and the struggles she has gone through, her years as an indie music artist, the things she really cares about... and the trappings that come with fame (more on this later).

I can't help but feel that the things we care about as intuitives, as creatives, as INFs, perhaps as human beings... are really all the same.

To express ourselves full from an authentic place, and for that message to be released for others to connect with in their own way. INF Club really operates just like that... with the trust that what I put out there, whether my own written pieces like this one or the podcasts conversations I facilitate, will strike a chord with INFPs and INFJs and serve you, the reader, exactly as it is meant to. Really, it is outside of my control... my personal feeling is that there are greater forces (God, The Universe, whatever your belief system might call "it") at play.

We all want to just feel safe, grounded and "normal", to have people around us we love and trust, and do the things that bring us simple - yet the most profound - joy. And for those of who write or create in some other way, to freely express ourselves without those internal pressures of self-doubt and angst, and external pressures of money and critique and validation.

Whilst there are undoubtedly beneits and privilege that come with hitting these 'heights' of fame, of being well-known and listened to, I can;t help but feel that Sia just wants to live freely and fully. She goes as far as to say that fame didn't do anything for her... that it didn't bring her the sense of worth that she thought it might, and that the same insecurities that she had remained.

We each have our own journey and I believe that things happen for a reason, but I wonder if the lower-profile (but more easily-lived?) route of the indie musician, away from the traditional, commercial, record-label path, my have felt like a more aligned one for Sia.

Who knows. Easy for me to say, of course. And yes, perhaps I'm biased - becuse I have chosen to embrace this indie life and the freedom that comes with it... I have hope that it will take me where it's supposed to take me and that I remain grounded along the way.

So I invite you to read the episode summary (spoiler alert), or just go ahead and dive gently into this hour-long conversation between Louis & Sia that flies by

I have a feeling that there'll be a nugger or two in there that might strike a chord, and leave you to reflect on a thing or two... just Like I have been since listened to it.



photo: Possessed Photography (via unsplash)

👤 Jas Hothi is the curator of INF Club, providing nourishment + inspiration for INFPs & INFJs. Subscribe to the newsletter here, or find him on Twitter @jasraj0.

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